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Music and Sound part 1 /////////////////////// Music, arts, stories http://www.wimsey.com/~leahf/greencart.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Music web pointers http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~hauben/music-index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Music, arts, stories http://sunsite.unc.edu/ianc/ An easily overlooked site that has to be seen. It's a well rounded site that has lots of stuff for all interests and ages. A good site for all! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kaleidoscope http://kspace.com Way cool web page. Hopefully they can keep the momentum going here... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- American Recordings http://american.recordings.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ultimate Band List http://american.recordings.com/wwwofmusic/ubl.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Windham Hill music page http://www.windham.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rolling Stones homepage(s) http://WWW.Stones.com/ http://stones.com:80 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Megadeth Homepage http://bazaar.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Matthews Band WWW Page http://netspace.org/DMB/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lollapalooza Tour WWW site http://lollapalooza.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheryl Crow Web Page http://www.ip.net/cellar/crow/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Celtic Music Archive http://celtic.stanford.edu/ceolas.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gloria Estefan Home Page http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~lwright --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HOT/COOL List http://kzsu.sstanford.edu/uwi/eviews.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jammin Reggae Archives http://jammin.nosc.mil/jammin.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The KOSMIC Free Music Foundation http://freedom.wit.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leeds University Dept of Music http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Zappa site http://www.celestial.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Opera Schedule Server http://www.fsz.bme.hu/opera/main.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elvis Presley Home Page http://sunsite.unc.edu/elvis/elvishom.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Princeton University Band http://www.princeton.edu:80/~puband --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Complete Lyrics to Songs FTP to: ftp.uwp.edu in the --> /pub/music/lyrics --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Robinson's Tune Book http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Domenico Scarlatti Archive http://www.win.tue.nl/scarlatti --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Sinatra Home Page http://www.io.org/~buff/sinatra.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Tango server http://litsun.epfl.ch/tango --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marley Storyboard http://www.netaxs.com/~aaron/Marley/Marley.html A complete Bob Marley archive site. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- VIBE Online http://pathfinder.com.vibe --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beastie Boys WWW Site http://www.nando.net/music/gm/BeastieBoys/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds in AU Format Page http://www.engr.wisc.edu/~clapper/sounds.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Simpsons Sound Page http://www.uunet.ca/~russ/sounds/Simpsons.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Simpsons-snds Directory http://www.acm.uiuc.edu:80/rml/Time/Sounds --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Simpsons Archive http://www.digimark.net:80/TheSimpsons --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Netcom Simpsons Stuff FTP to: ftp.netcom.com in the --> /pub/ca/caddy/simpsons/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jazz info server http://www.acns.nwu.edu/jazz Excellent Jazz resource on the Web. A truly great site for Jazz lovers! - use this URL to jump straight to the cool jazz "time-line" page http://www.acns.nwu.edu/jazz/styles/style-map.html Gilbert and Sullivan Archive http://math.idbsu.edu/GaS.html ftp to: diamond.idbsu.edu in the --> /gas For the lovers of the namesakes operatic venue. A complete and well done archive which has 22 directories of info relating to G&S musicical works. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- MTV ftp site FTP to: mtv.com For music lovers everywhere. Interviews, happenings and all sorts of music information is located here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet Underground Music Archive http://www.iuma.com http://www.iuma.com/ http://sunsite.unc.edu/IUMA http://sunsite.unc.edu/ianc/index.html http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/index_graphic.html Unbelievable place to find actual music cuts and songs that you CAN'T and WON'T find anywhere else! Where else can you find cuts from the Whistle Pigs or the Gripsweets? If you like new-age or alternative or simply cutting edge sounds - take a trip here. You won't regret it. Fantastic! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grateful Dead net-info Dead-flames email digital digest To subscribe, send email to --> dead-flamesrequest@gdead.berkeley.edu Net discography of Grateful Dead music ftp to: ftp gdead.berkeley.edu (log on as anonymous and use your email as password) Grateful Dead home page http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mleone/dead.html http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/mleone/web/dead.html Grateful Dead Almanac http://well.com/community The WELL - Gradteful Dead info area Telnet to: well.sf.ca.us Telnet to: well.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Historical Speeches and Songs (recordings) http://lcweb.loc.gov From the Library of Congress files. Great for HyperCard projects or any multimedia project that has to do with important historical events. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hip Magazine http://www.hip.com Like Rolling Stone magazine - only way better! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Vincent Voice Library (at Michigan State University) http://web.msu.edu/vincent/index.html Samplings from the largest academic voice library in the world. John F. Kennedy's inauguration speech, Edwwin Booth reading "Othello" and Will Roger's 1922 campaign speech are just a few of the samples available. Even Nixon's immortal (irreverant?) resignation speech is here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul McCartney Obituary Page http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Obituary/paul.html A complete tour of "clues" that were all the rage when the Beatle's hoax of Paul's death was taken very seriously. Tips and insights into the Beatle's and their art and music are also included in this funky page. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Death of Rock 'n Roll page http://alfred1u.washington.edu:8080/~jkls/pike/deathrr.html An absurdly great page devoted to rockers that gave their lives (literally) to rock and roll. From hoaxes (Paul McCartney Beatles hoax) to genuinely sad moments (Buddy Holly) this page makes interesting reading. Links to other pages include Themes of Death-The Heroin Page, Famous Dates of Rock 'n Roll Death and other moribund topics. A truly mesmerizing journey! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The LIVE Gopher Gopher to: mediafive.yyz.com A gopher devoted to the band named "LIVE". A hip and refreshing gopher trip that won't let you down. It's.... a LIVE! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jazz Clubs Around the World http://www.acns.nwu.edu/jazz/lists/clubs.html Bill Hery has compiled a great and complete list of Jazz clubs from all over the world. It includes club names, addresses, phone numbers and locations. This hometwon Philly boy was impressed to find out that Philly's own "Zanzibar Blue" is included on the list. Now that's some hip page! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cowpie News (Country and Western Pickers) http://www.realtime.net/~bleonard/cowpie.html Gopher to: gopher.ttu.edu then go to Texas Tech prairie dog server and select "publications from Tech and elsewhere" then go to "mailing lists maintained at Tech" and finally to "professional lists maintained at Texas Tech" wheeewww! And I thought gophering was faster than web surfing! For lover's of country greats - Chet Atkins, Dwight Yokum, Charlie Pride and a buch more. Yee Haw! You'll be stompin' yer feet in no time! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ear-Waves Radio Network http://www.nets.com/earwaves A great page with links for those who love electronic, experimental music. Includes modern-techno, new jazz, contemporary classical and "world music" Info, photos and sound clips abound. Where else can you hear great cuts from "The Dead Can Dance" and "Chariots of Fire" soundtrack all in one trip? I dare you to find a more fun music oriented site. Double dare you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregorian Chant gopher and Home Page (Catholic University of America) http://www.music.princeton.edu:80/chant_html/ Gopher to: vmsgopher.cua.edu /Special Resources then select CANTUS to view the database of Gregorian Chants. Hmmm...now just what chant goes with just what event? A wealth of resources awaits the user to these sites. Anything and everything about gregorian chant and many related topics are here. Includes historical perspectives. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deth Specula home page http://klinzhai.iuma.com/specula/index.html A band that broadcasts over the "MBone". The bassist of this band is one of the big-wigs over at the Internet Underground Music Archive (see elsewhere in this music list) which publishes music via the WWW and provides online MBone broadcasting services to musicians. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Musi-Cal http://calendar.com/concerts Musi-Cal is a large database of upcoming concerts and musician's agendas. The database is searchable by artist or geographical area where they might be playing and it includes all sorts of music interests. From Jazz concerts to classical to modern to reggae and many other types of music in between - this is the definitive web page on upcoming gigs and concerts. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ringo Interactive Music Database http://rg.media.mit.edu/ringo Enter your own musical preferences to the database and "Ringo" will try to predict what other musical groups you might like to listen to. Ringo then integrates your input into the database rating system and then uses this information to further enhance its database prediction structure. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Music Bibliography (created by Piet van Oostrum) FTP to: ftp.cs.ruu.nl /pub/MIDI/DOC/archives A monthly updated resource which lists a bibliography of FTP and mailing lists for electronic music with special emphasis on MIDI sites and info. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information about MIDI page http://datura.cerl.uiuc.edu/netStuff/midi/midi.html A great place to learn about MIDI files and the software/hardware needed to listen to and produce MIDI files. A lot of Apple Macintosh files here and many links to other MIDI related info. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eno WWW Project http://www.nwu.edu/music/eno/ A complete catalog of Brian Eno's works resides here. Liner notes from all his albums plus an Eno FAQ can also be found here. For Eno fans everywhere. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sound Wire http://soundwire.com A digital collection of artists and musical works from around the world. Sound Wire can be browsed alphabetically by artist and you can read about each artist or band, listen to sample recordings or view the album covers and whatever liner notes or information is available. "Joe's Picks" is a great place to go for it is a special section that Joe Maissel (the web page author and Sound Wire "cheif") recommends his favorite new releases. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- CD Connection telnet to: telnet cdconnection.com http://ftp.cdconnection.com CD Europe telnet to: telnet cdeurope.com These archives are digital online music stores that offer a somewhat limited "try before you buy" approach to sales. There is a huge collection of works here but too little samples to hear. If you want to check out the archives just to see what's new out there - this is the place to go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smithereens Mailing List email to: Smithereens-request@hookup.net Email to this address for subscription instructions. This is one of the author's favorite bands - so I had to include it here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Myra Wong's List of Musical Mailing Lists ftp://server.berkeley.edu/pub/misc/lomml http://server.berkeley.edu/~ayukawa/lomml.html email to: mkwong@ucsd.edu ---> request the list to be sent back via email This is the most comprehensive list of musical mailing lists and listserv email lists available on music and music related topics. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ICMA Computer Music Software Library (International Computer Music Assoc.) http://coos.dartmouth.edu:80/~rsn/icma/icma.html FTP to: dartmouth.edu in the --> /pub/ICMA-Library Contains an abundance of software for many systems and platforms that is musical or music related. Everything from music authoring to sound-card software is here. Also hre are players and music notation writers as well as music digitizing software. If you are looking for music related software and did not find what you were looking for at other major ftp sites or places on the web - try this site out. It is full of stuff the other places just don't have or will never have... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The American Music Resource Gopher Gopher to: sunsite.unc.edu in the --> /Worlds-of-Sunsite/The-American-Music-Resource This is not a collection of sound clips - rather it is a catalog of lists of information on various performers. The list is organized into Topic Headings and below these topics are sub-menus for genres like Gospel, Rock, Folk, Classical and Native American (to name a few). There is also a list called the Subject Index which lists informative biographical data on the artist chosen. There are also lists of bibliographical information on artists selected with info on written works, articles, etc on the artist. Also included is a playlist of all the songs that the artist(s) created. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basic Classical Repertoire List Gopher to: ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu in the --> /UCSB Gopher Central/InfoSurf/The Subject Collections/The Arts Collections/Music/Basic Repertoire List This is intended to be a guide of what every student or lover of classical music should listen to. The document presents specific works from various composers according to period starting with the Medieval and Renaissance Musical periods and progressing on to present day classical composers. The introduction states that "much more music is offered here than one would expect to find in a basic classical music library." The musical pieces with an asterisk next to them on the list are considered "musts" and there are many of them. If you want a list for yourself or for a public music facility or library then this is just what you'll need. A good resource. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKR Classical http://www.schoolkids.com/skr/classical Consultation and information on all forms of Classical music. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- BMG Classics http://classicalmus.com This record label has made available a wonderful web page devoted to music interests that range in the classical vein. All sorts of info on classical composers and musicians plus a beginner's guide to classical music. Also includes a vast linked opera area that has aria listings and info for each opera performance. The Concert Hall section has multimedia offerings such as sound clips from favorite performances and Quicktime movies of many varied classical performances. For the classical aficionado everywhere. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike's Record Reviews http://io.com/user/wasson/recindex.html One of the hippest and freshest record reviewers out there. Mike pulls no punches yet is right on target with praise when deserved. Mike's tastes range from hard-core to alternative rock to the nether reaches of music and beyond. He is an avid listener to new things coming out and writes in a no-nonsense style that will pick you up and take hold. If you're into hearing about new music and want it straight from the heart - then take a read on this guy - he knows his sh_t er... stuff. A well recommended site! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock Around the World http://www.ratw.com Rock Around the World, Nationally and Internationally aired radio show of the 70's, is back through the Internet, sponsored by ZIMA. Rock Around the World (RATW), the highly acclaimed and nationally syndicated radio program is coming back in 1995 in a bigger and bolder format on the 'net through the World Wide Web. RATW was a top American radio show during the 70's. It was heard on more than 160 stations, coast to coast, in the top 100 markets throughout the U.S. and the American Forces Radio & Television Services worldwide. It exposed America to such groups as The Who, Bob Seger, Eric Clapton, The Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Pink Floyd, E.L.O, and many others. They were all interviewed and many were heard on RATW for the very first time on American Radio. Danny Lipman, RATW creative founder, has again developed a winning formula. The RATW Internet site is designed to enable the viewer to literally, Rock Around the World through a wide range of entertaining files, including RATW radio broadcasts, music sound bites, rock history, new releases, radio programming, interviews, rock trivia, travel, and many other links and various sources of music and music related information. With their vast library of RATW audio tapes, 232 separate broadcasts, featuring interviews and music from the 70's World of Rock, they'll keep you entertained through a variety of mediums well into the next century. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- WBCN 104.1 FM Boston http://www.novalink.com/wbcn.html The Rock Of Boston, WBCN on the Web features gif images of the Rock Babes, song lists, concert information and numerous links to other music-related sites on the Web. Currently under construction this site is meant to be greatly expanded in the future. Worth a look-see to check it out... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Tesh Live at Red Rocks and on the World Wide Web http://bazaar.com/Tesh John Tesh live at Red Rocks with the Colorado Symphony Orchestra, featuring a unique bold and delightful music of composer/musician John Tesh is now online via the World Wide Web. The spectacular concert was taped live in August 1994 at the majestic 250 million year old outdoor Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Denver, Colorado and is recreated here on the Internet. The four time Emmy Award-winning Tesh performs with conductor John Bisharat and the 70-piece Colorado Symphony Orchestra. The concert features Tesh playing grand piano, Charlie Bisharat playing electric violin and Everette Harp playing alto saxophone. Aso featured are Olympic gold medal gymnasts Nadia Comaneci (1976) and Bart Conner (1984) performing gymnastic routines specially choreographed to Tesh's music. Set against a backdrop of sheer rock walls, the concert is Tesh's personal tribute to sports and is accented by a stunning array of lights, pyrotechnics and special effects. The crowd of all ages appears enhanced by their surroundings as the wind ruffles the performers hair under the full moon. Couples dance to an enchanting tune as Tesh dedicateds the performance of *Concetta* to his wife, Connie Selleca, who sits in the audience with their infant daughter. Your visit to Red Rocks will give you full access to the show and even allow you to go backstage. You can see video clips, hear audio tracks or get information on the performers and Red Rocks itself. You can also sample the rest of the John Tesh catalog and enter the lobby to chat with others about their experience at Red Rocks. It also has been rumored that John himself has been spotted in the Lobby. I'll admit that I am not a Tesh fan (although some of his pieces are quite good) but even if you are not a John Tesh fan the site itself and the technological aspects of presenting this web page should keep you busy and happy for a long time. Worth the visit - now this is what web page exhibits should all be like! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAH RADIO Web page http://ebhon.jnst.uor.edu/Users/doktor JAH RADIO is proud to announce the opening of it's Web Page for your use and pleasure! JAH RADIO is the longest running Reggae radio program in southern California. Broadcasting out of the University of Redlands for over 20 years, the Bush Doktor and JAH RADIO provide six hours of pure reggae soothing sounds. The JAH RADIO (c) Home Page provides info on Reggae music, activities and concerts. Numerous links to other Reggae related sites available. Also, Reggae Ambassadors Worldwide information updated weekly. Way cool mon! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unofficial Elvis Costello Home Page http://east.isx.com/~schnitzi/elvis.html A BIGSURF reader emailed me about this site. It has lots of Costello related "goodies" and should keep Elvis Costello fans of all ages happy and content. It seems that this site is still evolving (aren't they all?) so a trip back here from time to time couldn't hurt. Mucho thanks to Erik Steenberger of Copenhagen, Denmark for the info on the new web address. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- WXYC (Univ of N. Carolina radio) http://sunsite.unc.edu/wxyc/index.html The first radio station to broadcast over the Internet 24 hours a day, each and every day, in real time. Not especially for the bandwidth impaired but worth the look (and hear) anyway. Makes you feel glad that you have that new T1 connection up and running. Ah well... some of us can only dream... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sony Music http://www.music.sony.com/Music/MusicIndex.html Cool site! Neat graphical "50's" look with great sound clips from numerous artists. You can't order from this atalog of sounds/artists yet but who cares? A great place to check out what's new on the music scene as Sony Corporation has many artists within its stable of recording contracts and record labels. This site is expanding at a rapid pace. Look for web secure ordering forms soon. Until then - just listen, look and enjoy! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Metaverse http://metaverse.com/vibe/ A former hang-out for MTV VJ's, this web site has many interviews, insights and new ground-breaking info on the rock and music scene. Also has a great collection of RealAudio sound samples. Always fresh and updated info. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- RealAudio http://www.RealAudio.comm RealAudio Player download (alternative site) http://www.prognet.com/signup.html Audio encoding software that is now available for the Mac. Listen to audio in real-time. New compression schemes. Free client player for Mac available and a new Mac compression encoder due out soon. An audio "streamer" this promises to be a big success. Many large Corporations now subscribe to using this new technology and are having great success with it. Try it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Music Kitchen http://www.nando.net/music/gm A grea site that features MPEG clips from many cool artists. Also has lots of info on many musical groups and various artists. A good site for music fans - even better when you realize that at modem speeds - it's still good. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Music Resources Page (Music Resources on the Internet http://www.music.indiana.edu/misc/music_resources.html A gigantic linked list of web pages that let you surf off to places all over the world that cover all forms of music and musical genres. A truly stupendous big-surfin' site. Great to use as a general music site listing or finding web pages that have musical info on them. Loads of links! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name That Tune http://www.omg.unb.ca/~glenn/nameThatTune.html An online game that has you download sound clips and then try to identify the song from whence the sound clip(s) originated from. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capt. James T. Kirk Sing-a-long Web page http://www.ama.caltech.edu/~mrm/kirk.html You're not going to believe this but Mark Meloon has put up a web page that is truly bad (that's good). There are various sound clips here available for download of William Shatner (Capt. Kirk) brief and truly bad attempt at a singing career. Can you imagine Kirk singing "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" or how about "Mr. Tambourine Man"!? Well... you don't have to imagine any longer because all this and more are available at this page. Your dog or cat may begin to wail along - oh - my! Truly bad. Beam me out of here Scotty - please! It doesn't get any worse (better) than this folks! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Band Name Server http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~aaron/band_names.html Need a name for a band? Even if you don't - check this out! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lollapalooza Electric Carnival http://lollapalooza.com A digital companion to the immensely popular Lollapalooza tour. Anyone who knows what "Lollapalooza" is about - surf here pronto! Anyone who doesn't know about the Lollapalooza tour - surf here and find out. Surf's Up! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDnow http://cdnow.com Located in Ambler, PA (US) this online CD store claims to have the world's largest publicly accessible music archive and repository. It has over 150,000 CDs, cassettes, recordings and mini-disks in stock. The online store features "The All Music Guide" which has info, biographies, music ratings and music reviews of various works and artists. It is, in itself a behemoth of a listing and the information alone is worth the trip over here. This place also offers music and music related magazines off all kinds - from Rock to Jazz to Classical. The web page even has a forums for the discussions of various musical genres and artists. Even if you don't come here to buy - the sheer amount of information available may nearly overwhelm you. It's great when a business decides to give something back to the 'net and to users withput charging. Perhaps this is the best way to do business on the 'net and this place serves as an excellent model for others to follow. You've got to check this place out - catch a wave, get on your surfboards and hang-ten over here. Yeeeahhh! Wipe Out !!!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDworld http://gate.cdworld.com/cdworld.html A rival to CDnow - it is a bit flashier but has a bit less substance. In any case - this is an extremely well done site and between this web site and the CDnow site - you'll find whatever music you're looking for. This site has many hard to find releases and always seems to have new releases available before anyone else even knows about them. Another excellent site. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- King of All Media Fans' Page Howard Stern, the self-proclaimed "King of All Media" (formerly just King of all Radio) has a page that fans of his will love. I wasn't sure where to put this listing but since he is the "King of All Media" I guess he can go anywhere in BIGSURF. Actually I thought that Howard Stern fans would get around to this music section eventually and find the web page here. In any case, this web site is a blast and a half. Great Stern stuff here including outrageous sound clips from his shows. This site is a work in progress and keeps getting better. If you're not a Stern fan - stay away! But if you are a Howard Stern fan or even have a sense of humor - surf over here pronto! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Library of Musical Links http://www-scf.usc.edu/~jrush/music/index.html Basically it's a list of links to various sources of information about music. There's links to hundreds of web sites, close to two hundred newsgroups, and one hundred-fifty mailing lists as well as FTP and gopher sites. Check it out if you're interested and let me know what you think. This page is Netscape specific, so you'll need to use Netscape 1.1 to view it properly, but I assume we're all using that anyway. I spent a major chunk of my time this weekend working on this, and I think that it will become a popular site on the web. I did everything for this myself including web surfing to gather all of the sites, HTML authoring, and graphic design. There's even cool imagemaps! Have fun and happy surfing! My thanks to Jason Rush for the info and authoring a great site! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------